we have a training deficit in this country. we need to combine training programs and do a better job. are we going to hurt that effort? that's what's at stake here when the republicans say, just cut regardless. they had no reason to remember yesterday to cut all discretionary notary public defense discretionary programs, and i think sadly a hundred and some republicans, i think, 50 voted for willie-nilly across the board. doesn't matter what it is. that's not the way we proceed. >> host: was this the amendment to the sandy relief bill? >> guest: it was. >> host: and it failed, 70 republicans joined about 188 democrats to beat back that amendment put forth. on the tax side of the ledger, deductions and loopholes is what folks are talking about. when you say "balanced approach qtle, spending cuts, and deductions and loopholes and things like that. what are the big ones that would bring in the most revenue? >> guest: well, we've talked about the itemized deductions and they include mortgage interests, charitable contributions, ect